When Kiersten and Julian Saunders began dating in 2012, they fell in love quickly, and their relationship felt strong – until they started talking about money.
They broke up as a result of their first money conversation.
Luckily, they got back together, figured out how to have tough conversations, and paid off $200,000 in debt over the next five years.
Then they started thinking about how to hack their careers. They came up with a plan for a 15-year career.
Today, they join us on the podcast to talk about the 15-year career framework and how to approach your career – and your finances – in 5 year stints.
Timing of discussion points as per October 2022:
00:25: Introduction to Kiersten and Julien Saunders
02:05: The money conversation that changed everything
11:25: Examples of interaction patterns around money discussions
12:08: Tactics to continue difficult money conversations
16:18: Starting a 15-year career
17:48: The focus of the first five years: your financial foundation
18:17: Transitioning to the second five years and defining your superpower at work
18:50: Building your exit plan in the last five years
22:57: Thinking about side hustles and the factors of urgency and upside
24:29: How does a person know how to make money
29:28: Maintaining momentum towards your goals over the 15-year time span
31:37: Is it possible to accelerate the 15-year timeline?
35:12: Thinking about risk after your career
- Rich and Regular | Blog
- Cashing Out: Win The Wealth Game By Walking Away, by Kiersten and Julien Sanders | Book
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