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“What’s your FI number? What’s your FI date?”
People often talk about financial independence like it’s a fixed, static point. When your portfolio reaches $X value, or your monthly passive income is $Y per month, you’re FI.
“When did you reach FI?,” people will ask, as though it’s a one-way door with a distinct date, comparable to graduating from high school or college.
Today’s podcast guest, J.D. Roth, offers a fresh perspective: FI isn’t a fixed point. It’s a continuum, a spectrum.
He says there are seven stages along the road to financial independence, which include:
1: Dependence: This is what we experience when we’re five years old: total reliance on someone else.
This is also what we experience as adults if we depend on our credit cards for basics like groceries and utilities, and we can’t pay the balance in full at the end of the month.
2: Solvency: You can make your minimum payments, and you’re not adding new credit card debt to your monthly balance.
3: Stability: You’ve repaid your credit card debt. You have an emergency fund.
4: Agency: You have enough money that you can say “no” to certain money-making or money-saving opportunities if they’re toxic or unhealthy. You can’t stay unemployed forever, but you could get by for a couple of months. You have “FU” money — enough money to tell your boss “F*** you!!” if you needed to.
5: Security: There’s a HUGE gap between stage 4 and stage 5. Once you reach stage 5, you’re FI/FIRE — in this stage, you’re in a situation referred to as “Lean FIRE” or “Lean FI,” which means your investments are sufficient to pay for a basic standard of living. For example, your investments might be able to support the same living standard that you were raised with, or your living standards when you were in college or in your early 20’s.
6: Independence: Your investments can cover your current standard of living (at this momentary point in time.)
7: Abundance: You have more than enough and then some — you’re in a stage known as “Fat FIRE” or “Fat FI.”
In today’s interview, we elaborate on these seven stages. We also discuss seven rules for investing, how to calculate a lifetime wealth ratio, how to manage your career like it’s an asset, and much more.
- How to Achieve Financial Independence and Retire Early, by JD Roth | Audible Course
- GetRichSlowly.org | Website
- JDRoth.com | JD’s blog
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