

Paula Pant
Build YOUR 15 Year Career, with Kiersten and Julien Saunders
When Kiersten and Julian Saunders began dating in 2012, they fell in love quickly, and their relationship felt strong – until they started talking about money.
They broke up as a result of their first money conversation.
Luckily, they got back together, figured out how to have tough conversations, and paid off $200,000 in debt over the next five years.
Then they started thinking about how to hack their careers. They came up with a plan for a 15-year career.
Today, they join us on the podcast to talk about the 15-year career framework and how to approach your career – and your finances – in 5 year stints.
Timing of discussion points as per October 2022:
00:25: Introduction to Kiersten and Julien Saunders
02:05: The money conversation that changed everything
11:25: Examples of interaction patterns around money discussions
12:08: Tactics to continue difficult money conversations
16:18: Starting a 15-year career
17:48: The focus of the first five years: your financial foundation
18:17: Transitioning to the second five years and defining your superpower at work
18:50: Building your exit plan in the last five years
22:57: Thinking about side hustles and the factors of urgency and upside
24:29: How does a person know how to make money
29:28: Maintaining momentum towards your goals over the 15-year time span
31:37: Is it possible to accelerate the 15-year timeline?
35:12: Thinking about risk after your career
Resources Mentioned:
- Rich and Regular | Blog
- Cashing Out: Win The Wealth Game By Walking Away, by Kiersten and Julien Sanders | Book


Paula Pant
Build YOUR 15 Year Career, with Kiersten and Julien Saunders


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